I just saw a comment on a video somewhere that Phoebe passed away, is this true? She was my all time favorite wam model and the first girl I saw get pie on the internet! I know she left the WAM scene but is it true that she passed?

Sadly, it is true.

RIP to a legebd.

Howd she die? She couldn't have been that old

Obits don't say any more how someone died, which is probably for the best.
She was about my age and I hope I am not that old, but I am getting there. As (older) people here have said often, she was one of the first WOW Wam models that appeared on the scene when I was starting to get online. I still remember running across the lo-rez pics-- not even the video-- of the pie sandwich and being blown away.
Hard to believe it was back in the 1990s. You can watch those scenes now and the dress, the film quality-- hell, even the background music-- put me back in that time period. Now we have HD and hot, nude OnllFans models but, to me, there is nothing quite like those old 1990s scenes.

Obits still routinely say how someone died, and "passed away suddenly" is widely used as a euphemism for suicide or overdose.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/217204835/michelle-l-amos-rodriguez

I don't typically follow drama so I don't know much about it but didn't she get out of WAM, write a book on how degrading and awful it is, then come back into it or something?

Nope, the actual truth is less dramatic and more sadly predictable. (And also foreshadowed the current Kelsey drama, albeit 25 years earlier.)

The REAL Phoebe never personally posted on this site, and was never a WAMmer. (Sorry all.)
BUT her boyfriend at the time was definitely into WAM, so he took some vids of his girlfriend (Phoebe), created a profile for her, and posted for her. She was an instant hit, and if I remember correctly, they were both pretty overwhelmed by the attention.... I definitely remember emailing "Phoebe" a few times as I'd sent money in the mail for her first VHS tape, and weeks later nothing had arrived.

Of course I, like everyone else, assumed I was talking to the ACTUAL Phoebe when I emailed this person. Didn't find for well over a decade that it was always just some dude. AND it was never really publicized either.... So I went through the same weirdness many of you are going through with KelseyRose now, but over a decade ago. (Might be the reason I'm now inherently suspicious of "too good to be true" female profiles that appear out of nowhere.)

Just to be clear: This wasn't any kind of scam. Phoebe really did appear in the vids, and she really did recruit her friends to participate as well. The distinction is that Phoebe was never posting PERSONALLY on the UMD or in PMs or emails, nor was she driving the train with the shooting and releasing of the vids she starred in.

FYI WAMTEC tipped me off to all this years ago. He & Lenny paid Phoebe to come to one of their shoots.... And once she arrived with her BF in tow, it became immediately apparent that she REALLY disliked doing WAM scenes.... while the BF was WAY too excited to be there. Lenny did some investigating and discovered the truth.... which was around the time that "Phoebe" left the UMD. (And I assume the real Phoebe broke up with her BF around the same time.)

I might be misremembering, but the book that came out (ACTUALLY written by Phoebe) didn't mention WAM at all? Which annoyed some people on here at the time: Why would Phoebe "reject" her community? But, of course, this was NEVER her community at all... Just her ex's.

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that when "Phoebe" returned, it was just her ex rebooting her profile to promote her old scenes being available as downloads finally. There might've been some talk of her "returning," but obviously that was just BS.

And yes, the real Phoebe did pass away.... But it took a long time for this forum to find out. Which makes sense, because again.... Not like she'd told anyone in her family about her brief WAM career, so I doubt they knew anything about the UMD.

And while she should still be regarded as a WAM legend, hopefully knowing the truth doesn't diminish her work in any way. Maybe a reminder that there's always been half-truths, exaggerations, and shady characters since the early days. (Also I hope this didn't wreck anyone's fond memories of Phoebe. Sorry!)

Also, if WAMTEC wants to chime in and correct my mistakes/memories, that would be helpful.

This sucks because a lot of her scenes, especially the ones with her friends, still hold up incredibly well. I guess she was just a pretty damn good performer that she could appear to be having fun when she really didn't want to be doing WAM as a whole

I just want to stress that her dislike for doing WAM was based *solely* on what WAMTEC witnessed when he booked her for a pie shoot with Lenny.
I have that footage, and I even remember at the time thinking, "Something seems off, this isn't near as good as her other stuff."
It's entirely possible that she DID enjoy getting messy, especially early on, especially since it was something her partner enjoyed. I could see her being burned out a year later when she did that WAMTEC shoot, and if her relationship was on the ropes by then (again, just speculating).... That couldn't have helped.

I think we can all enjoy Phoebe's old scenes while also separating this mythical image of "Phoebe, the first true female WAMmer" from the more modest "Phoebe, a very attractive Canadian woman who made a bunch of great scenes in the early days of online WAM."

I echo what Rich said.

Phoebe was indeed a real person, because I met her and did around a dozen shoots with her when she came to my ranch with her boyfriend in tow. To add to what Rich said, it was not just the pie shoots that she was uncomfortable doing, but she also did several wetlook carwash and hot tub shoots as well. We did our best to make her feel more comfortable by only shooting the mildest of wet and messy scenes in a light hearted way, with nothing too demanding of her, but she felt uncomfortable appearing in scenes with our other models. I was just the cameraman and Lenny and her boyfriend were directing the scenes.

It is ironic that the term "Legend" was later attached to her, because I always thought of her as the "Reluctant" WAM model, under the influence of her boyfriend.

Our other girls and the crew all tried to make her feel welcome, but she still felt uncomfortable so we left her out of several shoots we planned to do with our more boisterous models and she mostly did solo shoots with Lenny on her own because she preferred to work alone.

She was a pleasant girl, who was under the influence of her Svengali like boyfriend. She was a real person, but the illusion of a legend was all created by her boyfriend.

Lets not forget that sometimes Producers can create an imaginary person for a good reason and deploy that person in a positive way, i.e. Bill Shipton had his Splosh magazine alter-ego "Heidi" answering readers letters and promoting the wam culture, and she was just Bill's alter ego and this was done in a positive way to entertain the wam fans.

Don't forget that Phoebe wrote a second book, this one dealing with her (mis)adventures as a fetish model. I do not own this book, but surely someone on the forum does.